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Re: [las_users] Aggregation with Ferret



hi Ying,

On 7/14/2010 12:34 PM, Roland Schweitzer wrote:
Ying at NCCS wrote:
Hi Roland and Ansley

I remember many years ago I used ferret jnl to aggregate model run files and configured into LAS. Does new ferret/las still support this kind aggregation ?
We (at least I) don't recommend this type of aggregation.

You may be thinking of the multi-dataset "descriptor files". There are some Unix command-line tools to create those from a set of netCDF files and which you should be able to find in the Users Guide. But we do not recommend descriptor files for use in LAS. I can't imagine it would be faster. Aggregation via TDS is the preferred method; it allows for "native striding" that is used by LAS for large datasets (see the Ferret Documentation "netCDF and strides" http://ferret.pmel.noaa.gov/Ferret/documentation/users-guide/data-set-basics/NETCDF-DATA#_VPINDEXENTRY_167 ) and also allows for analysis and difference operations done by F-TDS, which I don't believe will work for data that's accessed using a descriptor file.


It seems to me that LAS/Ferret is fast enough but access model data that are aggregated through either TDS/GDS is very slow, in particular for large number of files. It might be better if just let Ferret read the file directly. Also I wonder if this new ferretnc4 supports parallel IO (as netcdf 4 does).
With all the new caching and other optimizations in TDS I think the performance it quite good even for large data sets. There are always trade-offs, but I think the performance is adequate the the other characteristics like ease of installation and maintenance make TDS a better solution than "aggregating" with a Ferret descriptor file.


I am interested at running LAS backend service on our center's powerful machine with GPFS support, so it may speed up data analysis function on the server side.

If your LAS F-TDS on this backend, then you will be able to do server-side analysis on that powerful machine and LAS will take advantage of those server side functions for regridding when doing comparisons.

   Thanks again for all these years support to LAS users

Roland



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